Do you ever wake up wondering who you really are or what is your life purpose?
Honestly, I have many times over the years which has inspired my spiritual path and nudged me to take a deeper look within.
Much of my life was controlled by external events, material things and other people’s opinions of me. Then I woke up to the fact that none of these things defined who I really was or my purpose.
The last thirty years of study have been an arduous task to understand how we all have a divine birthright. Each one of us is created in the likeness of Jesus or the Divine Mother Sophia. It doesn’t matter what religion you believe; you are all from the same source.
This past weekend at The Rhys Thomas Institute where I go to school was the heart chakra weekend. I had no idea what to expect. Over three days I watched a roomful of people uncover parts of themselves that had been buried for years. Student’s hearts broke wide open, shining love on one another.
I personally experienced a sobbing, shaking transformation myself.
I realized I isolate from the world behind a spiritual mask. That people must prove to me that they are trustworthy first. It’s part of my defense behavior for being a “charismatic leader” profile. I always feel I am better doing it alone.
Since I have been a child, I’ve thought I can do it alone. Only allowing a select few to get close to me.
However, my soul’s purpose is to be a light, an illuminator for women and share the wisdom I have learned from profound life challenges. So, I need to be vulnerable, more trusting and more of my authentic self.
This week’s guest on the Awakening Divine Wildness Podcast is Rev. Dr. Sandy Range. Dr. Sandy helps us learn how to uncover our true selves. She shares how each of us has an angel on one shoulder and a devil on the other. Who do you listen to? Surprisingly, most of us are driven by our thoughts and not our hearts.
In this powerful conversation, Dr. Sandy will show you how to get back on the path to living from your higher self.
So Dear One…
BE Love, BE LIGHT and most importantly BE YOU.
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Mal: Well, I am very, very honored to have today’s guest because I’ve met her personally and I don’t often get to do that with many of these women that appear on this show because they’re from all over the globe. But I went to the most magical woman’s retreat and this divine soul, was a sponsor of that retreat. And it was a day I will not forget. [00:33] Our guest today is Reverend Dr. Sandy Range. She’s a therapeutic coach, a spiritual counselor and advisor, a hypnotherapist, a Shaman, a medicine woman, a wellness practitioner, group facilitator, author and public speaker, and she’s magical. Dr. Reverend Sandy has over 22 years in clinical practice, 55 years of spiritual training and practice, and over 30 years in human services.
After managing her own private practice, which she has now retired from, she was for five years, a full service mental health, spiritual wellness and personal spiritual, professional development organization. She holds a BA degree in human services planning and management and a master’s in mental health counseling. Reverend Dr. Sandy whole certifications as a trauma specialist, clinical hypnotherapy – wow, I’m having trouble today – hypnotherapist, past life regression hypnotherapist and neuro linguistic programming coach and practitioner. She’s a facilitator of groups and workshops that promote awakened intent, inner growth, holistic wellness, higher consciousness, and the evolution of mind, emotions, and spirit.
And we’re going to talk about this wonderful book today, but I want to read a beautiful quote from the book to kind of get our conversation going. [02:20] “When a deep heartfelt forgiveness is realized and it must be realized, a great burden is lifted from us.
“We experience true freedom. What happens next? The light is already within us. It’s in our consciousness, our minds and our hearts. Once the burden of our transgressions is lifted and released, and as long as we choose life and light for our lives, looking upward from within. We engage the light of enlightenment.”
And Reverend Sandy, I am honored today to have you and to have this conversation today.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: Well, thank you very much for having me. I too am very honored by you, to be interviewed by you and I’m very grateful for it. Thank you.
Mal: The title of this, “You’ve Lost Your Mind Now Find Your Soul. I understand that because I’ve spent 30 years getting out of my head and my negative thinking and my self-condemnation. And it’s in that process, I’ve been able to uncover who I really am. And that helped me get sober and get into recovery, once I realized my thinking was the cause of my own suffering. So tell us a little bit about your understanding and your process of losing your mind and finding your soul.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: [04:02] Yes. Well, that title came to me actually, and I was like, you know, you really do have to kind of get out of your head in order to find that place inside you that white inside you. And you know, it was strange because I said, “okay, I have to look this up and make sure I’m not, you know, misquoting somebody or taking plagiarizing someone.” And there was a gentleman, I can’t remember his name right now off the top of my head, but he was an environmentalist and he loved being in the woods in the forest, and he wrote journals, his own journals. They will never publish, nothing ever happened with them, there were no copyrights. But he said, “Into the forest I go to lose my mind and find my soul”, and I was like, “Oh my gosh, he’s like reading my mind,” you know, because way before me.
However, to lose your mind in, and I think he also was touching on this because he was an environmentalist, you know. And I’m a tree person. I love the words, I love going in there and yes, I do lose my mind every single time I go to the woods. [05:07] But losing your mind is, well, first of all, we have to understand that we’re not just a brain mind. We’re not this big gray Delco battery up here inside our skulls. We’re more than that, we’re more than the brain mind. We have a consciousness that is not housed in the brain mind, okay? It is part of our soul self, our spirit self. So when we think about losing your mind, brain mind is attached to ego. And I like to think of it as the devil and angel sitting on your shoulder, okay? And the little angel on your shoulder is your soul mind, your soul consciousness and the devil on your shoulder is the ego mind, the brain mind.
[05:50] And it is the ego consciousness, ego mind that gets offended, that gets angry, that gets POed, you know. That you know, doesn’t like anything as judgmental, if that’s the one, that’s the mind that takes offense at everything and wants things its own way. Wants total control over everything in your environment and yourself and it should not ever be in control.
Now we need the ego. People think, ”Oh, I’m going to do enlightenment and I’m going to meditate and I have to get rid of my ego.” You cannot get rid of your ego. It is a necessary part of our humanity. Ego serves a purpose of protecting us. It keeps us from walking out and crossing the street in front of a convoy of Mack trucks. It keeps us from walking off the edge of a cliff. It keeps us safe, it protects the body. That’s where we need ego.
[06:49] But from birth to adulthood, nobody is teaching us how to control and reign in ego when it starts veering off into other areas of our lives. Nobody knew that, nobody tells us that. So unless you’re born in a monastery or you know, somewhere in the Himalayas or some deeply spiritual place where they can train you, yeah. But for the rest of us, we don’t get that training. So ego ends up taking over. And it gets offended and it gets hurt and it gets mad and angry and defensive and frustrated and all those negative, what’s considered negative emotions. [07:29] So, in order for us to find our soul, we have to really step out of the mind, the ego mind, lose it completely. Okay? Just let it do its job to protect us. That’s all it needs to do. And then we can find our soul.
Mal: I love the way you call it the angel mind, the devil mind. I named my ego, I wrote about this in my first book and I named my ego, Louise. Louise had a very different voice then the angel mind. Louise had a voice that kept telling me, “What do you think you are? You’re not good enough. What do you think you’re trying to do?” And it was so condemning. But I realized I couldn’t get rid of it because it was part of me. So I had to work with Louise and I had to be able to, when that voice came up, say, “you know what, I’m not listening to this right now. Nope! Nope! I’m not going there. I’m not buying into that conversation.” And I would, you know, I have little triggers that I would use to stop that negative chatter in my head. Over the years now, that doesn’t flare up as much as it used to. Thank goodness, but that’s what ran my life. It was the tail wagging the dog. It was the way that you describe…
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: what the other one’s life.
Mal: I mean, really it is what gets us out of control, except we need it because it does keep us from harm it. It does keep us from stepping off the curb in front of a bus. So what are some practices that you like to teach Reverend Sandy, that help people to get away from that chatter, from that, from that ego mind?
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: Yes. [09:15] First and foremost, mindfulness, sitting in the silence, meditation, that is a necessity. We have to be able to turn inside, go within, and just sit in silence because that’s where we get the insights, the inspirations, the intuitions, all of the knowledge that’s available to us from a divine source, you know? And by that I don’t mean it in a “woo woo” kind of way. [09:51] I mean it in a cosmologically balanced universe that we live in, this cosmology of – what’s the word I want to use? A cosmology of being in balance with nature, being in balance with self, being in balance with the divine intelligence or the universal intelligence, we might want to use that word. Where when we’re within, we can hear those messages, you know. People sit in prayer and they’re talking all the time in prayer. You know, they talk, they’re speaking, they asking for help, they’re asking for, you know, favors and they’re asking for to get us out of trouble and make sure that my loved one is safe and well, we’re always asking. But when we sit in the silence in meditation, in mindfulness, helps you get to meditation, that’s when we start receiving the answers. That’s when we start getting the information. If we’re always chatting, you’re not going to get it.
Mal: You know, young people today, I think really have a huge challenge ahead of them because they are constantly on their phones.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: Yeah.
Mal: They’re tweeting, they’re texting, they’re messaging, and it’s nonstop. I don’t think the younger generation today, the millennials know what silence is. They don’t know what to do in silence. To me, my favorite part of the day, is silence.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: Yes.
Mal: I cherish it. I could spend three hours in the morning with complete quiet, doing a little spiritual reading, some meditation, some journaling, and some prayer. I love it. It is the best part of my day. Young people today don’t know what that is.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: Yeah.
Mal: They are hooked on technology and constant mental stimulation. I don’t know what we’re going to do with them.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: Well, we have to find a way to wake them up yup.
Mal: Yup.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: And I’m not so sure, maybe a lot of them do. Yes, absolutely. They’re into technology and being on their phones and looking down, walking out in front of that bus, looking down on their phones, their devices, you know. And that’s, again, is really the ego. The ego says, “I’m in control. I do what I want. I’m going to rule this person, you know, this is my domain.” And it’s not its domain, but we have allowed it, we have given it. [12:36] It’s like giving an abuser the power to control us. And yes, sometimes we don’t know initially what’s happening, you know. Initially, if you’re being abused or you’re in an abusive relationship, we don’t really know what’s happening in the beginning. But then we stayed in it so long and that’s as it goes with those devices and looking down and giving that ego the control over us and power. When we stay in it for so long, we kind of don’t recognize until it’s too late and now we’re stuck. Now we’re in this relationship, whether it’s with ego or whether it’s with a human abuser. That we have to understand, okay, what do I do now? How do I get out of this? [13:21] Hopefully. And eventually they do look up. But someone or something needs to be there for them to see, “okay, yes, there is a way up. Yes, I can get out of this stuff with my ego. I can move forward. I can, yes, I can still have my technology.” We’re using it right now. It’s a beautiful thing, if it’s used within its limits, its boundaries and not possessing us.
Mal: Yeah.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: So, yes.
Mal: I look around restaurants, look at people when they’re out to dinner. Everybody’s looking at their phone. I can’t stand that! If I go out to dinner with friends, I don’t want them looking at their phone. So I’m there, let’s engage, let’s communicate with one another.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: Yes.
Mal: Put the damn phone down. Now you do these magical retreats, and I know you have more of them coming up this year. But I mean, I spent a glorious day with you, the way you put your heart and soul into that day and we dabbled in several different practices. Not only meditation but just talking about so many juicy, beautiful things. What are, this is going to be a tough question, what is yours, because you have so many gifts, you’re a Shaman and medicine woman. What are some of your favorite practices that you like to teach women?
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: [14:55] Wow. Well, I don’t know if there’s any one specific or particular practice. I try to give them enough of a toolkit where they can pick and choose or use them in combination or whatever to assist them. You know, I think maybe meditation and mindfulness, absolutely, number one.
Mal: Yep.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: You cannot move forward in your spiritual life without it, so that’s absolutely number one. And you know, it depends on what the person needs or seeking for themselves as well. You know, their spiritual coaching and counseling, there’s, you know, actually hypnotherapy. There’s past life regressions where, okay, so what is keeping you stuck in this life? Okay? Or what is keeping you from moving forward in the work that you want to do, your spiritual work? And we can go back into the past and see what your soul did in another life that you may be paying for in this life. Karma! That’s really simple.
Mal: Which brings up a fascinating point. I don’t think people really understand what the soul is all about. I think most of us, if we were raised in a religion, I was raised Catholic, so my concept of soul, you know, really all based on the religion of Catholicism and that is not my concept today. I understand that my soul chose, my parents chose when I would come here and also chose the lessons that I need to learn while I’m here so that I don’t keep repeating. And boy, that has been an education. So tell us a little bit about the soul and how people can work with it and understand it.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: [16:48] Okay. Again, everything boils down to going within, going inside, who’s sitting in the silence, listening to your own soul. That angel mind on your shoulder is the soul speaking to you. But it whispers, it’s soft, it’s you know, it’s very gentle. It’s not that breath, brash, you know abrasive ego that says, “Oh, I’m going to take over. Just don’t listen to that thing over there on the other shoulder, you listen to me, only me.” Make lots of noise. The soul says, “Okay, I’m really here and I’m talking to you, but you need to quiet down so you can hear me.” And so this is why we go into the silence, you know, it’s why we go into the silence.
[17:33] The soul, I just briefly, you mentioned about going into a past life regression to see what the soul may have done and karma and all of that good stuff. Now there’s good karma, there’s bad karma, you know, and it’s not really bad. It’s what we have chosen to experience for our soul growth in each lifetime. And yes, when we get here, we have that veil of forgetfulness. We don’t remember that we chose this. And so it may take us until we’re 40, 50, 60, 70, 90 years old before we’d say, “Ah, I get it now. I get it now. Now, I’m remembering. I know why I was here, why I came here, you know?” So hopefully, the more we evolve each time, it doesn’t take us that long.
Sometimes there are spiritual teachers that can help you to recall why you were here, or help you to look at the lessons that have their challenges. I call them challenges that have presented themselves in your lifetime. And due to those challenges, what were the lessons that we needed to learn from those challenges, you know? [18:48] And so each time we get the lesson, each time we understand it, you know, we can elevate, we can move forward. Now we can understand it and we can also not like it and argue about it and be, you know, angry about it, “well, it didn’t have to happen to me,” blah, blah, blah. But then when we do that, that’s ego again, trying to knock soul out of the way. Okay. So we can’t be angry over the challenge that presents itself. And when we do that, again, we revert right back again to square one. So we use mindfulness again. That’s where we want to be mindful all the time and it’s a 24/7 and even when we’re sleeping. Really, our consciousness, our soul, when we’re doing our thing, we need to be mindful of the fact that, okay, what actions, what behaviors, what thoughts am I emulating that are going to cause more discomfort, more challenges to the present themselves to me?
Mal: And I love that you say challenges because lots of times women interpret painful experiences. It’s like, what did I do to deserve this? Why me? They become a victim to their pain and in fact, it’s about a lesson. I always say that there is wisdom in the wound. It is up for us to find it.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: Yes. Yes.
Mal: What is then, in your lifetime so far is one of your biggest soul lessons?
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: Oh boy. [Cross talking 20:21 – 20: 20:24]. Lots and lots and lots.
Mal: Yep.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: Oh gosh. I don’t, I couldn’t, I don’t even think I can narrow it down. I can think of a recent one in the last few years and that had to do with some spinal surgery that I had. And before the spinal surgery, I was suffering from a sciatica, and the sciatica became so severe that I could barely walk. I couldn’t sit, I couldn’t stand, I couldn’t lay down. I couldn’t, it was just painful.
Mal: Like nothing worked.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: Nothing worked at all. And it took nine months for me to figure out, “okay, leave the doctors that you’re talking to because they’re not helping you and go somewhere else.” I ended up, it took another year, I would say, two years with sciatica, really, really bad, painfully. And decided to have the surgery, spoke with this wonderful surgeon. Well, that’s another story. And then after the surgery and I was like, ” Why did this happen? Why?” I was losing my business, I couldn’t work. I couldn’t, you know, pay the bills, all this stuff was going on. So it wasn’t just the sciatica of the physical pain, it was affecting the rest of my life. It was affecting my work life, my home life, my friendships. I couldn’t do anything.
So I said, “Okay, I have to really stop and see and try to understand what it was that caused this, what was the lesson in it for me?” And after a lot of work, a lot, a lot, a lot of work, I understood that, the spine really supports the entire body, right? Your spinal column, it holds you up, right? It keeps you good, you can move left, you can move right. The spine is doing all the work, right? And the more research that I did, I understood that and where mine was in the lower spine, the L-4, L-5 area, which sits probably around the sacral chakra and the kind of just sitting just about at your waist, so just above. So, the energy of the lower spine, when it’s in pain, any kind of back pain, okay. Our back is our support. I wasn’t getting support from anywhere, from anyone. And I started realizing this, I’m like, okay. So I had all these plans. I was trying to open up a retreat center and everything was falling apart.
And I’m like, “why is it falling? Maybe it’s not meant to be.” And I started doubting myself, but when I found out was that ego, again, also played a part in it. Okay. So, not having the supports in place, not having, you know, human support, financial support, any kinds of supports towards this goal that I was working toward of expanding my practice and actually building a retreat center. And when I realized, I said, “You know what? I really didn’t have any support.” And I was really concerned about it. I was really struggling trying to get this to work and then, and being forceful, being forceful about it. [23:49] So, that’s ego, again. Being forceful in controlling and I have to do this and force gets us nothing, nothing but pain, nothing but pain. So, when I came to realize that, I was like, “Ah, ah. This is, you almost really lost everything because you were trying, and you were so in it.” It doesn’t mean I had to change the goal. It just means I had to change how I was trying to get there.
Mal: Yeah.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: And whether I had a support system or not, you know, I had to still change my tactic, change how I was working through things and the support system that I wasn’t working with that I had the whole time, the spirit, the soul. You know, it was the divine kingdom with working with me and I was like, “Oh, they’re not there. I got to do things from down here on the earth level.” And when I realized that, things started changing, you know, things really started changing.
Mal: It’s interesting how we’re taught to set goals and then we’re taught to go out and to work and to push to try to make those goals happen and that’s not always the best strategy. We have to have some faith.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: That’s right.
Mal: That the universe is working with us. We need to know that what we want is in alignment with who we are with our soul.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: Yeah.
Male: If it’s not, it’s not going to happen. But we don’t look at these things in a deeper, more meaningful way. We just look at the goal and say, “Oh yeah, that’s what I’m going to do in business and I’m going to go out and do it.” It’s like pushing a boulder up a hill and when that weight becomes so overwhelming and it’s ready to just fall back on us, I think is one, it’s an eye opener like, “you know what? This isn’t working. This isn’t the way this is meant to be. We’re not put here to struggle and beat ourselves up and you know, put ourselves up against such incredibly painful experiences that we don’t need.” That’s not what we’re here for. We’re here to have good lives and experience joy and abundance, but we have to trust that we’re deserving.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: Yes.
Mal: The universe has got our back and then take mindful, spirit led, heart inspired action.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: Absolutely.
Mal: Yeah. Yeah. Tell us when’s your next retreat? Because I want, anybody can go to one of your retreats. It’s got to go. I’ve got my gold dust. I’ve got my feathers, girl. I mean, I came out of there with so many beautiful little gifts and meditations. I mean, it was wonderful. T
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: Oh, thank you. I’m glad you can [Inaudible 26:38]. I don’t have a date yet, but I’m planning two retreats and an online class. One of the retreats I’ll be doing with one of our, wisdom fire elders. And that is going to be on ceremony. How ceremony should be a part of every aspect of your life and how to perform ceremony, how to be in ceremony with everything that you do. So that’s going to be one retreat coming up. [27:12] The other online class though I’m going to be doing is ancestral connections. So teaching us how to, and we’ve lost that skill, we’ve lost that connection. And our ancestors, I would say are probably our great grandparents and you and I were kind of, we’re there.
We’re readily in the same realm. But our grandparents and great grandparents always connected with their ancestors. And we have lost that maybe, maybe a little older, maybe a little further back. But we have lost that connection. And we don’t even think of even the generations younger than us that come after us, they have no clue. They look at old people and say, “Eek, they’re old. They don’t need to be here.” You know, they just want to get rid of the old folks. But the old folks and which I like to call the elders because they’ve earned, you’ve earned that title as an elder. This is where all of the healing can take place.
Now we don’t, when we do work in with the ancestors, we do not want to contact the recently diseased. Because there’s still just the way they left here, they took all of that with them, all of this baggage. So they’re still working on healing themselves. They have to do their thing to be able to be healed. So we reached back to very, very distant, far distant ancestors who are healed in whole already, okay. So we call out to those healed and holed, loving and kind ancestors. And those are the ones we want to work with because once we connect with them and we don’t want to start asking them to stop right away, either. We do would want somebody, you meet someone for the first time, right? And whether they’re a relative or not, and they’re like, “Hey, can you do this for me? Hey, can you take me here? Can you do that? Can you do the other?” Like, who are you? I just met you. So we still want to have that respect and honor our ancestors and get to know them. Say, I’m your relative. I’m your descendant. I want to know who you are. I also want to know who you were when you on the planet.
Mal: I love it, I love it.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: And connect with them and find it. There’s such rich cultural histories and stories, you know. And if we think about our ancestors going back 10 generations, we have like 1024 ancestors and only 10 generations. So if we go back 50, 100 generations, imagine how many relatives we have. This is why I say we are all connected. Every last one of us on this planet, we are connected somehow, ancestrally.
Mal: And I know that we don’t have time today for it but you have fascinating stories in your own lineage of samples of that. I mean, it was just wonderful. I want the audience to be able to reach out to you personally. You have a very generous offer on your website about a complimentary consultation, chat, whatever. And your website is intentionalself.com.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: Yes.
Mal: And so anything that they should know about this consul. I mean, I just think that is so wonderful that people can get in touch with you and get a little flavor of the kind of work that you do, anything special that you’d like them to know.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: [30:44] You can call, you can email, you can visit the website, you can actually sign up on the website. So you can get, I have a newsletter that comes out monthly. This shows all the programs and things that we have to offer. And a little icon, my intentional blogging but intentional self, not international. A lot of people make that mistake and they never get to me. So intentionalself.com, solutions@intentionalself.com is the email address.
Mal: Wonderful.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: And you can reach me through them.
Mal: Perfect. And I’ll put those in the show notes as well.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: Right.
Mal: So that they’re there. Oh, Reverend Sandy, this has been so much fun. It’s so good to see you. Really, you touched me the day we met and I said, I’ve got to bring this woman on because you’re just such a gift, you are.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: Thank you very much and I appreciate you too, Mel, very much.
Mal: Thank you so much and I hope to see you soon.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: Yes, that would be wonderful.
Mal: Thank you again.
Reverend Dr. Sandy Range: Okay. Thank you and many blessings.
Mal: You too
Interview Timing Notes
[00:33] Mal’s introduction of the guest, Reverend Dr. Sandy Range
[02:20] Reading an excerpt from Reverend Sandy’s book, “You’ve Lost Your Mind Now Find Your Soul”
[04:02] Reverend Sandy explaining the title of the book.
[05:07] Reverend Sandy talked about the brain-mind, understanding it and ego. The ego is being compared to the angel and devil sitting on both sides of your shoulder.
[05:50] Reverend Sandy talked about the ego-mind and why we need it
[06:49] She emphasized that we have to learn to control ego
[07:29] Reverend Sandy stated that to find our soul, we have to step out of ego-mind.
[09:15] Practices that Reverend Sandy uses to control ego-mind, such as mindfulness, sitting in silence, meditations.
[09:51] She talked about the cosmological balance in the universe, being balance with the divine intelligence and universal intelligence.
[12:11] She talked about young people and their stimulation by technology
[12:36] Comparing how technology controls us like an abuser with power over us.
[13:21] Hope that they look up from the controlled ego.
[14:55] Reverend Sandy talked about practices that you teach women. There is no one practice but meditation and mindfulness is the very first one. Other include spiritual coaching, hypnotherapy and past life regression.
[16:48] Reverend Sandy talks about the soul and how people understand it and listening to the angel on the shoulder.
[17:33] Reverend Sandy talks about the soul, regression and karma.
[18:50] Reverend Sandy says that when we get the lesion, we are to learn from it, elevate, move forward and understand it.
[20:39] Reverend Sandy talked about one example of her biggest soul lesson and that is while she was experiencing severe back pain. She thought she had no support from no one, nothing worked. She donated and questioned why this was happening to her.
[23:08] Reverend Sandy realized that ego played a part in doubting herself.
[23:49] Reverend Sandy emphasized that ego was in control and making you want to be forceful but realizing that force gets us nowhere.
[24:25] Reverend Sandy decided to change her tactic and working with what she had the whole time – The Spirit, The Soul.
[26:38] Reverend Sandy is planning two retreats and an online class.
[27:12] Reverend Sandy’s online class will be Ancestral Connections.
[30:44] Reverend Sandy giving her contact information and website details
